| I tried Gemma 4 (26b-a4b) and I was a bit blown away at how much better it is than other models. However, I soon found three things:
I tried countless system prompts and messages, including snippets like (just some of these, all of them in the same prompt, etc.) These may not be the best prompts, it's what a lot of frustration and trial/error got me to, wtihout results however: In the reasoning for the example above (which had the full system prompt from earlier) there is no mention of the word tool, system, check, or similar. Which is especially odd, since the model description states:
I then asked it what is it's system prompt, and it answered correctly, so it had access to it the whole time. It hallucianted when it tried to explain why it didn't follow it. I did get slightly better results by copy-pasting the system prompt into the user message. Does anyone else have a different experience? Found any prompts that could help it listen or call tools? [link] [comments] |
Gemma 4 is terrible with system prompts and tools
Reddit r/LocalLLaMA / 4/10/2026
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- The author reports that Gemma 4 (26b-a4b) performs much better on general question answering than on agentic tasks requiring strict instruction adherence.
- They claim the model degrades more noticeably than other models as the context window fills up.
- They state Gemma 4 often disregards system prompts, even when multiple variants are tested and the constraints are explicit.
- They say it rarely performs tool calls, even when explicitly instructed to do so.
- The overall conclusion is that the model appears optimized for benchmark-style QA rather than reliable tool-using workflows, based on their experimentation.
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